Government may be hesitant to fight the REAL ID battle
Montana has taken a bold stand by leading the fight against REAL ID. Now it seems that it may take the lead in another way - the federal government is showing hesitancy to directly confront the state over their refusal to comply with the Act.
Already, we are seeing how REAL ID is a de facto national id card. Sadly, many Americans will know nothing about this until they show up at the airports or to tour the Capitol building with their kids and find out that they don’t have the proper identification.
Dr. Paul warned against REAL ID back in 2005, and it is up to us to spread the word about how damaging this Act will be to our civil liberties.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Vhere are your papers………? No Papers…? Get on the train……
March 21st, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Dr. Paul warned of the national ID card in 1986 in his book, Freedom Under Siege. 20 years before…what does that tell you?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:57 pm
They won’t have to take us far in those trains. I have at least 5 FEMA concentration camps in my state. How many in yours???
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:53 am
In Arizona on Thursday, March 20, the Opt-Out REAL ID bill HB 2677 sponsored by Rep Judy Burges passed by a whopping 51 to 8. Arizona has thrown out
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Title 28, chapter 2, article 2, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 28-336, to read:
This state shall not participate in the implementation of the REAL ID act of 2005 (P.L. 109-13, Division B; 119 Stat. 302). The department shall not implement the REAL ID act of 2005 and shall report to the governor and the legislature any attempt by agencies or agents of the United States DEPARTMENT of homeland security to secure the implementation of the REAL ID act of 2005 through the operations of the United States department of homeland security.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:41 am
Amy Says:
They won’t have to take us far in those trains. I have at least 5 FEMA concentration camps in my state. How many in yours???
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First, how do you know this for a FACT not some wild rumour. Second, how can I find out about NC?
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 am
LIBERTY LOVER - do you think your government would actually lie to you? This is fact - trust them!
If you want to find out more about NC - just Google North Carolina and you will learn a lot!
You might also Google the National Identification Act and, while you are at it, type in the following and read it:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:49 am
For those who still believe GW is the greatest president since sliced bread, Bush signed Real ID into law back in 2005.
Remember the old black & white WWII movies from the 40’s? The black uniformed NAZI thug backed up by five or six machine gun wielding SS goons would demand peoples ID papers. I remember the fear that would appear on the citizen’s face and I remember thinking, “Thank God this can’t happen in a free America!” I no longer believe it can’t happen in America.
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
For those of you who doubt the existence of concentration camps in America…maybe this will help you -
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us_concentration_camps.htm
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 am
Recently I ran across a set of four Ron Paul DVDs that tell you everything about why Ron Paul is the only choice for president. They are of various interviews by media such as Fox and cover all bases, economic, foreign policy, medical etc.. They are only 25 cents each ($1) and the total cost for the four including the shipping was as I recall a “steep” $2.78!! You can’t beat that. They are very lenghty (each a few hours) so you can’t watch even one DVD in a single sitting. You can find it by doing a google search Ron Paul DVDs or just click on www.ronpauldvd.com. I heartily recommend them to everyone including Ron Paul’s campaign managers! They are a real keepsake, even more valuable than Ronald Reagan’s old radio broadcasts and much cheaper too!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Just came across this poll asking, “Does one GOP candidate get more favorable media coverage than the others?” http://www.gopusa.com/activist/pollvault/ It will not accept my vote, saying that I do not have cookies enabled. Don’t know for sure where to check that, but I don’t think it is true cause I delete cookies on a fairly regular basis. Will it allow any of you to vote?
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
For those interested in Executive Orders you can just google them. EO’s are all in numbered order. If you go to certain websites like the ones listed about fema camps and research the EO’s you will find that not all were written by the current administration. Most of the EO’s listed were written in the 1960’s. President Clinton during his time probably wrote 300. They are used to bypass Congress and are written for different reasons. If there are 12-30 million illegal aliens spread across the country and the US is pushing the government to do something about them would it be safe to assume they would need a place to hold them for processing? While Bush has made some mistakes in my opinion, most of these are the result of the publics acceptance and support, based on fear. It is only recently as the fear has subsided that it seems we have decided we really don’t want all the plans that were voted in place.
just trying to stay sane.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
Overthrow James Sensenbrenner! I don’t understand why he’s still in Congress.. after introducing the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act. Check out www.realnightmare.org for information, and to see the status of Real ID in your state.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 am
**** Weber Says:
LIBERTY LOVER - do you think your government would actually lie to you? This is fact - trust them!
If you want to find out more about NC - just Google North Carolina and you will learn a lot!
You might also Google the National Identification Act and, while you are at it, type in the following and read it:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm
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I KNOW the government lies to me. But I also KNOW there are some “patriots” out there who will also lie to me. Before Liberty Lobby had to declare bankruptcy, I was a regular reader of the Spotlight. APFN is the successor organization. I sometimes found that LL distorting reality or interpreting events in a way where is more speculation than hard evidence.
IMO, the issue of detention centers was one the areas where much misinformation had been in place of facts. I admit it has been some years since I checked thgis issue outy so facts may have changed and new solid evidence found. FWIW, I do not dismiss the possibilty that the facsist PTB that control our country would round up dissidents and place them in concentration camps.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am
In defense of James Sensenbrenner: He was a very strong advocate in preventing the passage of a bill allowing citizenship to illegal aliens. He was absolutely tireless in that endeavor. Now, it may be that his pushing of the REAL ID Act is nothing more than a misguided effort to further insure that illegal aliens be denied the “creature comforts” of citizens. At one time, I myself fell into that catagory. Then I was awakened to the full implications of what the REAL ID Act would actually do. So please, commend him for his efforts to curb the illegal immigration nightmare, but enlighten him through correspondence about the full implications of the REAL ID Act to the Liberty of American Citizens. He may just not “see it” because of his dedication to stopping illegal immigration.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
“Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.” — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Coast to coast interview.
I hope someone who cares about the Ron Paul presidential election gets this email to Ron Paul. The issue of national defense is the one hindrance to Ron Paul presidential run. Everywhere I read about Ron Paul, people have an incorrect understanding of the constitution on protecting America and thus Ron Paul.
Ron has not articulated this issue very well if at all.
Ron must clearly articulate the constitutional position of letters of marquee and right of reprisal on coast to Coast Monday night. Also, explain CLEARLY without interruption how we could have avoided invading and destroying Iraq by applying the letters to Osama Bin Laden. CLEARLY explain you support spending $$$ on defending America, regrouping our military so depleted today they can hardly function. Other nations around the world have to start providing their own general defense.
Ron, CLEARLY explain how should CONGRESS declare war with you as president you would go to war kick the required Bu.. and get home, not stay around, and nation build.
Ron America is stuck not supporting you because of ignorance on our constitution. You have not CLEARLY articulated the constructional issue of defense or war when needed and your procession as directed by congress.
Make us proud on Coast to Coast this week. Thanks for picking up the gavel and continuing. I am making every attempt at national delegate from Minnesota and will be standing proud voting for Ron Paul as president.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
The governor of Montana was the leader in rejecting the national id card. Now there are 17 states rejecting the idea. Typical of George Bush, he wanted a 100% solution to id everybody in the nation when the real identity problem of illegal immigrants is 1%.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I do not like the national ID thing either, but lets also remember what Spitzer was trying to do in NY with their licenses.
Their idea was to give these licenses away to illegals, so that they could go and vote.
This disenfranchises ALL US citizens, by diluting their legal vote (even if you do not live in NY: say the illegals help a candidate win, whose party would not have without them. Congressional majorities could be affected, thus also non-NY voters).
It was the Real-ID act in part that opponent’s of Spitzer’s plan used to fight him on this.
I am not defending the act, but how do we address this issue in another, less invasive fashion?
Also, FAKE licenses are used to obtain public benefits such as schooling. How to prevent?
Please do not flame, but discuss reasonably, as we do need to find a way that people can be identified for certain things, the most important being the vote. Already today, there are people in office who were elected by a substantial number of illegal vote.
THAT is subversion of the will of the people in the most underhanded and nefarious way, and a direct threat to democracy.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Marilyn,
That Ron Paul DVD link did not work for me.
?????
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I don’t know about NY but you do not need a license to send your child to school. You must show proof of residency, phone bill, electric bill, or some other record that you live here. This is easily fraudulent. But my real questions to illegal immigration is; How much does it really impact social services? Who benefits from illegal aliens, small business, agriculture? Are they really taking away Americans jobs, or are the H1B Visa holders doing that? And is most industry where illegals might find work being exported out the country leading to their numbers going down anyway?
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Figures, aren’t they the ones that want it?
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
IndyCindy, take out the period between the m and / … here’s the correct link:
http://www.ronpauldvd.com/
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Denise,
When it comes down to it, both are taking away jobs. Most employers are going to hire whoever they can hire the cheapest. Whether an immigrant is here legally or illegally they are going to be making more money than they would have in their home country. But that wage (in many cases) is not considered a livable wage for a US citizen. So we are paying for the unemployed citizen through welfare entitlements and subsidizing businesses with taxes by providing free education, medical care and all other taxpayer provided benefits (fire, police, trash, etc.) to illegals. Many of these folks are willing to live in a substandard way by our standards, but it is still better than what they left. We are importing Third World poverty into the US.
There are only so many jobs to go around. Look at the unemployment rate and tell me there is a lack of people to hire. When it comes to the tech type jobs, yes, that one day may be the case. Why? Because our kids are no longer taking those studies because they know they will not be hired. Companies would rather import their workers at a substandard wage.
One more thing, the holder of an expired work visa is our next illegal alien. There is no system in place to track these folks to make sure they are leaving when they are supposed to be. Now that is a broke system!
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Chuck who?
Ron Paul doesn’t go the gym. He stays fit by exercising his civil rights.
Ron Paul delivers babies without his hands. He simply reads them the Bill of Rights and they crawl out in anticipation of freedom.
Ron Paul is an anagram for “Freedom” (but only he knows how).
Jesus wears a wrist band that says “What Would Ron Paul Do?”
Ron Paul doesn’t pee. He liberates urine.
Thanks to Mike for these.
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Denise,
Also, bringing in and allowing the continued flow over our borders is just part of the plan for the One World Order. Forced population growth and multiculturism. I don’t have a thing against other cultures, but if I want exposure to them I will read/study about them or go visit them. I don’t want it forced on me by my government to suit their agenda. And some of this forced on population is only reducing our country to the Third World country that they left. This is partially due to a too rapid increase of immigrants and they do not assimilate as they should. Our numbers of legal entry need to be reduced back down to the more traditional numbers of past years of around 250,000/year instead of 1 Mil +/year (then the 1Mil of illegal immigrants is added on top of that).
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Thanks endyblue.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I read this paper a while back I forget what it was called , but it was a world government plan , that at the time seemed crazy to me , but is starting to look like it is happening now. It basically said America would stretch it’s military , national guard , etc. out fighting wars overseas , draining the economy, no protection on the border and when another attack takes place foriegn troops would come in and take the guns , martial law , etc. I heard U.N. troops and mexican troops were in New Orleans after Katrina!! With all this NAU, super highway , national ID it seems like they are making a push here!!WAKE UP!! THE WAR IS OVER -IF YOU WANT IT!! DECLARE PEACE!! GIVE PEACE A CANCE!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
CHANCE!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Denise: “to send your child to school. You must show proof of residency, phone bill, electric bill, or some other record that you live here …”
So, as the devasting economy forces more and more families from their homes, as more families become homeless so they have no “proof of residency … some record you live here,” that means more and more American children will not be able to attend school.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Mojo Risin in TX:
State Department Document 7277 from the year 1961, spelled out the plan for US military disarmament in a “peaceful world”. Drafted by CFR members in the State Department, the plan, approved by President Kennedy, called for the eventual unilateral disarmament of the United States, while transferring military power to the United Nations. This document became the announcement to the American public for Public Law 261 (as I recall) which is still the current law of the land as defined in the Code of Federal Regulations.
Have you ever wondered why we have been closing military bases, while eliminating atomic warheads and defense systems? PL-261 is your answer.
What most folks don’t see or realize is that we are in a paper war. Paper wars are never seen unless you look for them. Everytime Congress pasess a law that attacks American sovereignty, the people are seldom aware of the war that is being waged against them. They go about their lives, trusting that the lawmakers of the land are doing what is right for America. Sadly, the American people have been duped. What are examples of the “Paper War”? (They say that hindsight is 20/20.) The Paper War: The United Nations Treaty; GATT & the WTO; NAFTA; CAFTA; the North American Union; The SPP; Public Law 261; the Real ID act; The Federal Reserve Act; and on it goes.
When it comes to the Paper War, ignorance is not bliss. The Paper War is lost through ignorance.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Everyone should go to youtube video and type in ENDGAME. Long video but full of this kind of information. It is excellent!
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:07 pm
It’s a 100 year WAR ON FREEDOM!!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm
As long as not having ID keeps me out of the IRS office and federal prisons, I’m happy.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Indycindy: I am sorry that the Ron Paul link didn’t work. I tested it and it didn’t for me either. I went to the site and found that it has a / at the end. So I copied it again with the / so hopefully it will work. I am going to test it right after submitting the comment. The DVDs are fabulous! www.ronpaul.dvd.com/
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
IndyCity,
Here is a problem. Illegals cannot use government services but their children who are born in the United States are US citizens by birth and are entitled to government services. So as long as birth right citizenry exists you will continue to support the families of Illegals. I don’t see where having a new id card will address this. So would it be better to allow those families already in the US to stay and support their children? Or send the parents back and put their children on the government to take care of, (that means you and me of course).
Tquigly, most people have a drivers license, you can use it it is just not required (i also meant to say in CA)
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
IndyCindy I tried it by the slash and it didn’t work either. I’m going to try it this way to see if it will.
http://www.ronpaul.dvd.com/
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
IndyCindy I give up. That one didn’t work either it and the one with the / took me to Amazon. I am not sure why it will not work from this site as it does from my computer. You should be able to find it by doing the word search Ron Paul DVD. When I did the search it was right near the top of the hits on the first page that came up for me. I am sure sorry and disgusted that it won’t work. I didn’t mean to steer you wrong.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Here’s the link I think you’re looking for
http://www.ronpauldvd.com/
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Lead the way Montana! I for one will never fly again if I need a Real ID to do it. I have a feeling the airlines will be fighting Real ID soon.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Denise, I would assume that the illegal aliens who have had children in the US would want to take their children back with them. This is a subject that many illegals throw out there, and it really is a “smoke screen” used to bring emotions into the argument. It’s not as if we have a law on the books that says the parents must go, but they can’t take their American born children with them.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Heather,
While I agree to a degree. Most do not take their children but leave them in the US with legal relatives. They are not required to take their children with them and we cannot make them or deport American’s to other countries. It is a dilemma and another ID will not fix it. If the US were to stop allowing the children born to illegals to be automatic citizens and we did not allow social services to be extended to illegals, it may be an incentive to not come here.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Denise, I agree completely. I think the answer to the problem is actually two-fold. First, we need to stop birth-right citizenship; second, we need to end welfare. Before national welfare got it’s start in America (circa 1935), charitable institutions and private citizens helped those in need. I believe that most American’s would not have a problem with new people coming into the country, if we were assured that they weren’t going to be able to live for free off of the fruits of our labor that is stolen from us by the IRS. Fewer people would attempt to cross our borders illegally if they knew without a doubt that if they couldn’t find work, they would not be guaranteed the “entitlements” that would provide for their daily needs.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Osama says:
“I’m free. How about you?”
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
IndyCindy,
I suppose James Sensenbrenner should be given some credit for pursuing tighter immigration standards, but as you said, he doesn’t understand the full implications of what he has created. Real ID will not make our complicated economic and social problems, such as immigration, disappear. And the scary thing is that Homeland Security hasn’t even completely finalized details, even if they say they have released a final rule. Maybe you’re right.. overthrowing Sensenbrenner probably wouldn’t do much. Getting rid of DHS would be, on the other hand, would be much more effective.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:46 pm
*minus the extra “would be”, sorry!
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
End birth-right citizenship.
Enforce our existing laws.
Illegal immigration: solved
The 14th amendment was meant to grant citizenship to freed slaves, not… illegal aliens.
Borders, language, culture.
I want my country back.
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Denise,
Yes, I am aware that illegals cannot use government services legally. But they still do use a lot of taxpayer benifits. Many hospitals in CA have had to shut their doors because the the financial strain caused by non-paying illegal aliens. And since many use fake ID’s, I have a feeling that many are possibly using government services (and voting). Even illegal children (not born here) go to school for free and get the free meals to boot. I am in total agreement that the birthright citizenship needs to be stopped asap.
Marilyn,
A couple of others have provided the correct link for the Ron Paul DVD.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 pm
H.R.5408, the Social Security Identity Theft Prevention Act is a back door to identity cards. It will transform the Social Security Card into a National ID Card. While it is being promoted as a voluntary safety measure, the message is that if you do not upgrade to the new card, someone can steal your identity. This legislation mandates that all new cards will be issued with the biomarkers and a number of features not to be disclosed to the public. The new cards will also be issued to all young people after they reach their sixteenth birthday…driving age. Check out the language of the bill online and see the Youtube video. H.R. 5408 was introduced by Congressman Kirk and is already being dubbed the Social Security Surveilance Act… Get the word out. Call, email, write to everyone… let our elected officials know that we oppose this sleezy attempt to scare us into accepting another form of REAL ID.
March 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 am
Hate to break the news to some of you. The mexicans coming here to work, I’ve found to be much harder working than the Americans applying for the same job. I ran a delivery business in Washington D.C., I had many on work visas come and go, and they easily did better jobs than their American counterparts. It was quite shameful.
Many of the 5% of Americans who are unemployed…..are unemployed for a reason. Many of them are simply unemployable. Americans are not the cream of the crop, many are lazy, arrogant, and think they employers need them because we need someone to pay, and don’t consider that maybe we want the job done correctly. In my line of work, I would go through 20-30 applicants to find one that was willing to do the bare minimum, and typically they were either new citizens , or on visas.
Just look at who Americans are voting for, that should show you they’re mindset. I love America, but America has lost her caluses
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:12 am
This is an important article to read today. It was posted today, Easter, by Jon Ryter, at www.newswithviews.com and it is about Ron Paul and the Revolution, etc….a 3 part article. He outlines Ron Pauls 4 proposals for prosperity…Thanks for the info on those RP dvds;and one other question, as I am not familiar with coast to coast radio…can someone give me the correct radio station number…whether am or fm….and the correct time and day for Dr. Pauls interview…I see the 24th and then the 25th….and 1 a.m. in the morning to be aired….?????Just need someone to give me the correct info so I can listen.
March 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 am
please read me blog under Jesse Braxton. We may need to take back our courty and the RP movement as well.
March 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 am
Hopefully, most of the states will be strong enough to resist the Real ID Act.
If that happens, I wouldn’t put it past this administration to orchestrate an en masse identity theft of thousands or even millions of citizens to promote the Real ID’s effectiveness for ID protection. Call me conspiratorial, but I trust them less and less every day.
March 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 am
RFID chips are already in products sold across the US and Europe. Read this: http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/290306_b_RFID.htm and this: http://www.globeranger.com/news/detailnews.asp?newsID=64 I hope you note that the mainstream media are not reporting on this invasion of our privacy. The consequences of the RFID system are a total lack of personal liberty and privacy. The chips are in Gillette Fusion Razors, Kraft Philadelphia Cream Cheese and many other products on supermarket shelves right now. RFID chips are in all new US passports, in beef cattle and soon in your right arm if you don’t stant up and fight. States must stand up and stop driver’s licenses from being chipped for national security purposes. This system is a way to drive small business out of business entirely.
March 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 am
Please click on this short movie version of ENDGAME. Dr. Paul is interviewed in it. It is regarding the United Nations. Why we must be aware of this Real ID. Who is making the decisions about OUR lives and how banking influences history. This is very good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yhygUkecE
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 am
To Jane:
In a way, I hope the FEDS use strong arm tactics on the states. Why? Becuase the growing secession movement will gain GREAT STEAM.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
First off, thank you to the states that had the courage to tell the federal government to stick their REAL I.D., I hope more will take that stand. I likewise, if it comes down to it will not accept a card, no matter what it costs me, it is just plain wrong, and it is definitely unconstitutional, and if it means going to the camp, so be it.
As far as the illegal immigrants, I don’t care what reason is used to excuse them, they are law breakers, and should be treated as such, they have no business being here, and it is criminal that their children are allowed to become American citizens just because they were allowed to be born here. And as far as them having better work ethics than Americans, yes, many do, but looking at where they came from, that would be expected. If you want Americans to perform these jobs, how about paying them a wage they can feed their family on?? I know there are some sorry workers here, but there are some sorry Mexican workers here as well. If you want dedicated American workers, then pay them, so they can live. Don’t expect them to be grateful for their job if you pay them poor wages. I for one am willing to pay more if it is necessary to end this problem, and I think a lot of others are also. The middle class american voter has been screaming to the federal government for years to stop this Illegal invasion, and all we get is lip service and no action. This problem is not only being allowed to happen, it is from appearances, being intensionally perpetuated, and we are the ones that will pay for it. We, the American citizens, are actually paying for the demise of our jobs, and the loss of our culture, what a sorry state we have allowed this wonderful country to decline to, for the enrichment of a few.
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Without the heavy tax burden (unlike illegals getting cash) American could work for less too..
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Can you imagine how hard people would work if they didn’t have to pay income tax?!? And, all the new businesses that would start up? It would be very motivating.
March 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Re: AAron Russo’s DVD on sale:
That previous site and hyperlink isn’t working properly. Please just type in the following and do a Google search:
America:Freedom to Fascism DVD-Sales Page
still on sale for $1.00 (50 min.) ships quick. CSR phone# from shipping box (423)-894-7113, WTS Media, Chattanooga, TN
PS: If you haven’t seen it, there is a free view on line. click on home (left side), then scroll to center of the page.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:08 pm
This link is working for discounted copies of America: Freedom to Fascism. The $1 price will charged even though the listed price is $1.25.
Log onto: http://www.freedomtofascism.com/downloads/dvd.php
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Hi IndyCity,
Illegals themselves cannot use federal services. But their children who are US citizens can. If you look at the studies you will find that illegals make up a very small minority. Legal immigrants and the poor make up the larger majority who use social services. So the answer to illegal immigration has already been stated. The Real ID card is nothing more than a way to track everyday citizens of the US. Which has been exactly my point all along. Sorry it took us so long to get here
March 24th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Illegal is Illegal..BUT, when you give no choice but do or die, such as NAFTA has done, by forcing Mexican from their homeland on desperation. The treaties has subsidized the Mexican crops such as Beans and Corn. Their staple food..We are shipping these Items to Mexico at a cost that Mexican’s can not compete with, the farmers go bankrupt..their only choice is to come here looking for a way to survive.
Don’t blame the Mexicans, blame Bush/Clinton for this mess!
There has been mass protests in Mexico against NAFTA..The Mexican president and his sights on corporate $$$, can not see past his own greed to help his own people..same for our Administration. It’s a corporate hit on America and our Neighbors. Treasonous.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Real ID
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMHxJLcskd8
March 24th, 2008 at 8:10 am
http://www.five-year.com/2008/02/15/riz-khan-economic-hit-man-27-nov-07/
Must see..
March 24th, 2008 at 8:32 am
NAFTA, REAL ID, Bush/Clinton, economy, immigration, North American Union, Asian Union, European Union, banking. The whole plan is in this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yhygUkecE
Please watch!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1owN5yEEY&feature=related
NH petition to Congress will effect all Americans, not on the news.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:27 am
The fact that their are fake id’s does is not a reason for real id’s the thought that the national id is not subject to counterfiting is insane. On another note illegal’s get paid pretty well where i am from. 10$ an hour cash and no taxes. This is the going rate where I am from.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:49 am
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1724905,00.html?cnn=yes
Time article on Real ID - the states are only holding out against it because of the cost, no principled basis for fighting it. We need to all send tons of emails to governors and state legislatures.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. — Frederick Douglass, August 4, 185
March 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
D Weber
Re: The DVD site.
Thanks D***, I feel safer you’ve got my back.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeE3iB90KeE
NH “Live Free or Die” on the license plates.
They aren’t fighting real id just because of the money!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Dickweber, in regard to your post on the 22nd, 8:33am and the following link you gave:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm
Since I’m rather dense about all this, would you or someone explain to me how this site relates to the Real ID card that was being discussed when you put the site up? (Thanks for your patience!)